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May 09, 2008

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Bill

Very interesting post JD. My wife and I (30 and 31 respectively) are definitely part of this trend. I grew up in SBC churches; she is good ol Texas C of C churches. Our 1st church home post marriage was an SBC church (Central Bapt in College Station, TX), but since then, we've been members of two bible churches (Temple Bible in Temple, TX & Northwest Bible in Dallas) and Southeast Christian in Louisville (which is why I was grin at people saying the Summit is huge).

We came to the Summit not because it is a Baptist church but because it is a church that truly believes, lives out, and preaches the gospel. The Summit is an "activist" church in terms of loving the community and the world, as opposed to being a church who's leadership wants to argue about "inspired" vs "inerrant" and other terms that don't matter much when it comes to reaching people for Christ.

As we get ready to move back to Texas this summer, I'm praying a lot that God leads my family to the proper church home. I can tell you that whether or not the church is an SBC member is pretty darn low on the priority scale. I want to join with a church like the Summit, one that believes and lives out the gospel, not one that plays politics (both within and outside of the church). If that is an SBC church, GREAT! If not, add a couple more to the trend.

Todd

J.D.,

Great post. Even handed analysis. Solid charge to re-focus. Helpful distinction between "good para-church" and "bad para-church. Gracious way to walk between the influences of two important people in your life. Good words to all.

Stephen wagoner

love it j.d.
thanks for being a great illustration of a gospel centered sbc church.

Sbc will rise again!

jon akin

jd, great post! I think you're right on target.

Nathan Finn

JD: Very well said. I hope this post gets a wide reading.

NAF

Malcolm Yarnell

Thanks, J.D., for the review of our priorities.

brad brisco

Excellent post!

jamie steele

JD
Great post! Thanks. Finally someone who makes sense on this issue.

Ken

JD,
Your good/bad parachurch is excellent and IMO totally correct. The church is the one called to reach the ethnos and not called to pass it off to others to do on her behalf. Good job!

Ronnie Parrott

JD, excellent thoughts. I appreciate your encouragement for the SBC to refocus it's priorities. This post will be sent out for many to read.

Dawson

Good post - J.D. yet i would like to say, I disagree with Patterson on most of his points, to me most smell of blame it on the liberals/God's weeding out the bad people because we got it right, with a hint of definitiveness, erroneous reasoning and double talk thrown in. In the end, by my math(though it is late)adds up to the consistent narrowing of what it is to be in the SBC. Most of those like myself have left because being conservative was not enough you had to be a particular type of conservative. in the words of my roommate "power games power games when will you christians learn." yes he is pre-saved.. I'm working on it..

Dawson

Good post - J.D. yet i would like to say, I disagree with Patterson on most of his points, to me most smell of blame it on the liberals/God's weeding out the bad people because we got it right, with a hint of definitiveness, erroneous reasoning and double talk thrown in. In the end, by my math(though it is late)adds up to the consistent narrowing of what it is to be in the SBC. Most of those like myself have left because being conservative was not enough you had to be a particular type of conservative. in the words of my roommate "power games power games when will you christians learn." yes he is pre-saved.. I'm working on it..

troy temple

JD, great thoughts and accurate response. I think your call to affirm the BFM 2000 is right on. As a young SBCer, I agree that we must be GC focused above theological distractions that subvert our evangelistic mission to plant churches and make disciples. But I am also SBC by conviction as the BFM outlines. It certainly is a beautiful thing that keeps us a Gospel-centered people while allowing for acceptable diversity in non-essential doctrines. There is both a cooperative and convictional basis for being SBC.

Serge RAGONNAUD

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Marsha

I would add that a tone of meanspiritness and pridefulness has left me disillusioned with the SBC. I have picked up on that tone in various places over the last 15 years - in conferences, SBC publications, seminary publications, etc... While I may agree with the overall point, the way it is communicated is embarassing and smacks of arrogance. Where is the brokeness and repentance over the spirit of conflict that has in many ways defined our denomination to a watching world? While the Conservative Resurgence did reveal our "faithfulness" as a denomination to the Word of God - what about the other fruits of the Spirit - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self control? I don't know many people who would use the later adjectives to describe our denomination.

Alvin Reid

JD:
Spot on my brother. We have a great foundation through the CR. But we will not have a future if we just sit on our rears on the foundation. Time to move...

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