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July 14, 2008

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Tom Thompson

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micah driscoll

All of these calls for decisions, commitments, prayers, dedications, etc, seem to leave out the God ordained word, namely, believe - trust in or rely upon. We are not saved by our commitments, our prayers, our resolve, but by Christ's commitment, His prayers, His resolve to stay upon that cross until our sins were atoned for. We are simply called to believe in the Gospel, the power of God for our salvation, through the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Thanks JD for tackling this issue and posing the question about Matt. 23:15.

Curt Treece

JD,

We were just dealing with this last night at our SummitLIFE group. We are studying through the book of 1st John and were in chapter 3 last night.

Verse 1 says "See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God..." and verse 9 says "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning...he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."

In our discussion, I asked everyone how it is that we can be called children of God and then how it is that we are "born of God". The answers talked about believing in Jesus and following him and being confident in his promises. I pressed further to get them to explain clearly what was accomplished by Christ.

It was very apparent that there is a tendancy to completely skip over the actual good news of what God accomplished for us in Christ through is perfect sacrifice and resurrection, straight to our response to the gospel as if the latter replaces the former as the gospel.

I tried to make it very clear that if we think we are sharing the gospel with people, and the substance of our message is to believe in Jesus and follow him, we have completely missed it. My faith and "commitment" to Jesus is not the gospel.

Anywho...I plan to review with my group Graeme Goldsworthy's chapter in "According to Plan" called "I am the First and the Last" where he says, "it is important to keep the gospel itself clearly distinct from our response to it or from the results of it in our lives and in the world...We should not make faith part of the gospel itself. It would be absurd to call people to have faith in faith! While the new birth bears a close relationshiop to faith in Christ, it is a mistake to speak of the new birth as if it were itself the gospel. Faith in the new birth as such will not save us."

Thad Parker

So Jesus is layin the smack down for them making converts??? Hardly. Jesus rips 'em a new one because the converts have no proper example to follow since the leaders themselves are missing the forest for the trees. This forces me to ask the question of myself; "Is the Cross of Christ of utmost centrality in my own faith?" If not, then those woes are upon me. Great point here JD.

Tony

I could not agree more. We have completely substituted the gospel and Christ's work on the cross for "making a decision." The evangelical church (especially in the south) is full of people that have "made a decision" and are now trying to live out a moral life which they have mistaken for the Christian life. Morality is mistaken for Christianity.

In "How People Change" Lane and Tripp nail it in the first chapter. They talk about all the things that we use to replace the Gospel. The problem is that it is very subtle and most (again in the south) have never heard preaching that truly focus on the gospel. They focus on the change that will be wrought as we "accept Christ". It is very hard to see if you have not heard and seen the real thing. It is simply what we have always heard.

Pastor J.D.

Tom... thanks for your comment. I did not, however, intend for my comments to be a criticism of the conference you and I were at together. I removed your comment so that it would not be construed that way.

Adam

J.D., one of my issues, and one that seems common in our culture, is that we don't want to see ourselves as "guilty before God and separated from Him." We gloss over or downplay our sin and its consequences (guilt and separation). We justify it by saying it's not THAT bad compared to other sins. As you preached a few weeks ago, we recognize that it feels good or gives us pleasure and therefore think that it's permissable (or that God is intentionally withholding something from us).

Simply put, we can ignore or diminish the great work of the cross because we ignore or diminish the ugliness, severity and reality of our sin. I'm as guilty or more than the next person, and pray that I stop settling for a goal of being "a good person." (Side note: the "good person" of society may be another "burning bush," with it's inability to satisfy or mean the same thing to different people.)

Nicholas Crabb

Who does all of the sweet graphics for Summit?

D PLUM

Nailed it. Love it. Thanks!

D Plum
Mosaic Church DC, Lead Pastor

Lee Peoples

Great article. Often times as a pastor I get into coversations with people and they tell me they are saved because they prayed to recieve Christ years ago.

I ask them what they believe about Christ and many of them cannot even tell me the basics of the gospel.

I believe that we are called to call people to make a decision for Christ. However we must be clear in what we are presenting.

Often the simple concept of repentance and trusting in Christ is left out of many calls for decisions.

Great work!

Lee Peoples
www.stewbaptist.org
www.leepeoples.wordpress.com

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